An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

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An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

Postby kingsqueak » July 5th, 2010, 6:46 pm

I wrote up this summary to cover questions from friends who are curious or interested in trying vaping.

I think I covered a lot of the basics to get going.

http://www.kingsqueak.org/about/vaping- ... ng-tobacco

Any suggestions or corrections are welcomed. I want it to be fairly generic and as accurate as possible.

If someone wants to re-use it or put it on the site here in any form, be my guest.

Vaping – e-smoking My alternative to smoking tobacco

So in my tradition of being a weirdo, I may have found my solution to finally quit smoking.
I’ve taken up ‘vaping’, using a PV (personal vaporizer) to consume nicotine as an alternative to actually smoking. I’ll outline what it’s all about on this page for those who are interested.
Before moving on… This is for people who already smoke. If you don’t smoke, do NOT do this. If you do smoke, make your own informed decision on this as an alternative. What I find is working for me may kill you for all I know.
What is it?
An e-cigarette in a nutshell is a PV (personal vaporizer) that takes a base liquid, generally Propylene Glycol (PG) or Vegetable Glycerine (VG) infused with nicotine and flavoring and vaporizes it into a mist for inhalation.
PG very briefly is a pharmaceutical and food grade base used in a myriad of things from asthma inahlers to all sorts of household goods. PG is also the base liquid you have surely seen in fog machines in dance clubs.
You may find some whack job sites that insist that PG is antifreeze…this is simply not true. They are not the same thing at all. It is as absurd as telling people that because they make hydrogen bombs with hydrogen, they shouldn’t drink water. The information from the antis is incredibly ignorant.
Why?
The basic concept is, I can get my nicotine fix without inhaling smoke and the myriad associated miserable compounds in the smoke itself. Although nicotine itself isn’t the best for me, it’s by far a lower risk agent compared to the contents of tobacco smoke.
Studies are just getting started to really analyze the effects (make your own informed choice here, do some research), but there are noted cardiologists on record and similar professionals who are estimating this is about 1000 times safer than inhaling cigarette smoke.
I’ve smoked for 27 years at this point, though I’ve been off cigs now for 7 days as of this initial writing. I’ve tried cold turkey, the patch, gum, lozenges, Welbutrin… nothing really does the trick for me and at this point I really need to stop. I stumbled upon e-cigarettes very recently and was very surprised to find that it’s actually working for me.
Vaping feels very much like smoking. You can feel it in your throat and in your chest and it quiesces that craving like no other nicotine replacement available. The nicotine hit will vary with the concentration you choose for the e-juice, but I find it to feel somewhere between a cigarette and a strong cigar. It’s not quite as instant as a cigarette and takes a few puffs to kick in, but will linger fairly well once you get your pace adapted. I generally ‘had’ to smoke cigarettes about every 2 hours. With this, I can vape a few puffs about every 45 mins and keep myself on a similar level. This is with 24mg and 36mg concentration juice. This refers to mg/ml concentration.
But you’re smoking inside, near me and it makes spotted owls cry!
The vapor you see me exhale is simply PG vapor. This is the same thing that comes out of a fog machine in a club, only a fraction of a percent as concentrated. This will not hurt you. It is so filtered by the time I exhale it, you won’t even be able to smell anything…so relax, it’s just fog.
As expected there are whacko factions trying to ban e-smoking in public now. It’s all based on misinformation or coming from groups who just like to make other people miserable because they can. There is nothing substantive out there that even suggests that the exhaled vapor from doing this causes any issues for bystanders.
Remember if you do come across the anti sentiment, there are two massively powerful lobbies trying to ban this who are funding a lot of the propaganda, the tobacco companies and the pharmaceutical industry. Both are only profit motivated in their pursuits. Both industries stand to lose billions in profits if people can attend to themselves in this way. In addition to this, our own government has been leaching on the pockets of smokers for tax revenue for decades…they too are suspect in their motives.
What does this look like? How does it work?
The basic mechanicals are as follows.
A battery or other power supply. It can be a battery holder, a USB PT (pass through) or directly fed from say a wall wart or a 12V cigarette plug in a car.
An atomizer. This is basically a heating coil that creates the vapor.
A cartridge or other source of the e-liquid (the base+nicotine+flavoring) to feed the atomizer
A switch of some sort to activate the atomizer.
There are many variations on this combination of items. A common one is a ‘cartomizer’ which is the atomizer and cartridge combined into a single module. Which one to use becomes a matter of personal preference.

The quickest/easiest intro is one of the two staple generic types. The KR808D-1 or the Joye 510. These two look sort of like a cigarette in form. The 801 has a cartomizer which is a cartridge and atomizer combined into a single unit that screws onto a battery and is roughly the size of a cigarette. The 510 has a cartridge -> atomizer -> battery, all in a row or alternately a 510 cartomizer, depending on the model.
I got a KR808D-1 model called the Vaporking from Vapor4Life as my intro unit. The batteries were ‘auto’ batteries, meaning when you draw air through them, they turn on and ‘light up’.
The other option, which I actually have grown to like better is the manual battery type. You simply push a button to start the current heating the atomizer up and draw air about a half second after you hit and hold the button. You just let go of the switch a second or so before you stop drawing on it. The manual option allows you to pulse it on and off to control the heat level.
Whichever you choose, get _at_least_ two batteries and a convenient means to charge them. I would also recommend at least two atomizers as well. You can burn them out when you are first figuring out how to work things and they are a consumable product anyway so you’ll eventually need to order more.
Cartomizer capacity in rough terms for a pack a day smoker, I’m going through at least two a day, so judge how many pre-loaded cartridges you need based on that. Liquid lasts a fairly long time so a 30ml bottle will get you more than started out. I recommend getting the 5-packs of pre-loaded cartomizers or cartridges in several flavors so you can get an idea of your options in the easiest way possible.
A 36mg/ml strength cartomizer generically speaking will deliver about 16mg of nicotine. A Marlboro red is about 1mg, so this is roughly 16 cigarettes worth. The absorption rate and variations in capacity of the cartridge though actually make this a bit less based on what I feel from it. I would personally say it’s closer to 8-10 cigarettes in effective feel.

The next step is to what is called a ‘mod’ or basically an extended battery pack. The reason is simple. The starter pack I got had two batteries with it and a handful of the cartridges. The issue is that the battery in the KR808 only lasts a few hours, maybe 2 with any regular use. You can easily wind up swapping the batteries with a charger a few times a day, particularly having just come off of a cigarette habit. This gets annoying quickly and is an issue if you are out somewhere without a charger available. A mod has a much longer battery life depending on the capacity of the model you go with.
Remember, these all do the same thing basically. The biggest difference is the size of their battery pack and what you can discover later, some differences in how the atomizers work and feel.

To start over, as advice to anyone considering this, I might tell you to go with an eGo/Tornado type unit. These are the same functional idea, but have a 750mAh battery as opposed to the more standard 380 or smaller of the other units. This is sort of the cheapest way to get a higher capacity battery as an intro to trying this.
The unit pictured here is called a Riva and if you note, there is a USB cord in the picture. This is another option to consider carefully. This is referred to as a PT or pass-through. You plug your atomizer directly into this in place of your battery. It is very nice for sitting at a computer as you aren’t running on battery power while you are stationary.
A PT unit runs at 5V where most of the base models are 3.7V. This gives you a denser vapor. You get a better nicotine dispersion in the vapor this way. It’s nice for starting out the day to get yourself on the level.
Sources for equipment and juice are all over on line. You will find that only a few places actually make the units and everyone is private labeling or re-selling them. So the base product is the same, but the packaging may be fancier. You can pay too much for the same unit if you don’t shop around.
Some sources that have the basic starter kits ready to go…
Nhaler Local in NJ, solid vendor and makes good juice too
Vapor4Life A bit pricey, but good svc and quality, a one-stop shop, the WOW series of juice is great
Vapor Junction Great prices for basic units/kits
CigNotAnother great source for basic intro kits
BestECig A wholesale source for parts etc better for bulk ordering
Heaven Gifts Another bulk/wholesale source
Alt-Smoke A great ‘mod’ seller and parts etc – I own a BB so far as of this writing and love it
Blue Mist Vaping A great source for ejuice for refilling cartridges or direct dripping. Highly recommended.
There’s a lot more to say here, about reloading cartomizers, direct dripping into an atomizer, drip-tips, mixing one’s own juice recipes and on and on. This is already a lot to read so I’ll finish this out with links for excellent information from people who have been at this longer than I.
Vapers Forum A great archive of standing information
International Vapers A kinder/gentler group compared to Vapers Forum, but a new board so less archives.
e-cigarette forum One of the older forums, also a lot of information
#vapors – IRC chat on irc.xeromem.com – great group there
So far this is working out well for me. It requires some patience to figure out working the devices, getting the nicotine juice level that works for you and finding the flavors you like. The best I can say is do try it and I hope it works as well for you as it has been for me so far.
I have no affiliation with any of the vendors listed beyond being a satisfied customer. I’ve fully paid for anything I talk about here and will note if that ever changes.
There are plenty of good vendors out there and a good handful that are overpriced or not so great to deal with…do some shopping around.
I won’t post negative vendor comments here but I also won’t leave anyone linked or mentioned if I had any issues with them.

Read more at http://www.kingsqueak.org/about/vaping-e-smoking-my-alternative-to-smoking-tobacco
Last edited by slickplaid on November 23rd, 2010, 2:51 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

Postby Laurel » July 5th, 2010, 6:58 pm

Wow King! For 7 days in you've done AWESOME! Plus you've moved up WAY quicker than I did lol!

Appreciate that write-up. It's well done :D Thanks bunches!
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Re: An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

Postby kingsqueak » July 5th, 2010, 6:59 pm

I only know what I know from all the people on the forums here. It made it easy to get up to speed.
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Re: An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

Postby mama » July 5th, 2010, 8:09 pm

That is awesome KS! Glad you wrote that up and are referring people to it. When I started I had to fidget around with all kinds of little annoying issues and it was trying to say the least. Had I seen something like this, it would have made life a bit easier.

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Re: An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

Postby greyeyes » July 5th, 2010, 8:39 pm

Very very nice summary kingsqueak. Thanks for the referral to IVC too and I like your description of us very much! :love:
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Re: An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

Postby Christina » July 5th, 2010, 8:54 pm

That's fantastic work kingsqueak! I've shared it on Facebook (whatever that means) and have bookmarked it to share with the next nubbin I meet. Thanks! :D
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Re: An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

Postby Doctor Vapor » August 11th, 2010, 4:19 am

Kingsqueek, that is amazing stuff. Thank you for taking the time to do such a fantastic write up. I'm going to add it to the links I normally send to people requesting information. Just fantastic work. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Re: An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

Postby slickplaid » August 11th, 2010, 9:11 am

Yeah, I've actually sent two people to your site so far to read up on it.

Good stuff, thanks kingsqueak!

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Re: An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

Postby GrimmGreen » August 11th, 2010, 9:55 am

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Re: An intro summary I wrote up for the new or curious

Postby Slighter » August 11th, 2010, 10:40 am

Nice piece. Could I make a suggestion for two inclusions?
http://www.cignot.com/ home of the low price no box starter kits.
http://vapersnetwork.org/ a one stop personal vaporizer information resource.
Cheers
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